Foundation 6.6

[bastitch]

Is JointsWP still being updated? I see some open conversations from over a year ago about where to take the theme but nothing ever concluded. With Foundation 6.6 out now, is it going to be pulled into Joints?

[k33n8nc]

Would be great! FoundationPress is no longer maintained, this could be an advantage.

[bastitch]

@Baggio89 That's actually how I ended up here, due to needing a replacement for FoundationPress. Not really wanting to switch to Bootstrap (understrap), but they are definitely a lot more active and responsive over there.

[bastitch]

@JeremyEnglert I'm guessing that's a no then?

[mushbrain666]

:(

[JeremyEnglert]

Hi everyone!

I'll update JWP to include Foundation 6.6 tonight.

However, with Foundation slowly fizzling out, it will not be included in the next version of JWP. The next version of JWP is pretty bad ass and can be found here (still a work in progress): https://github.com/JeremyEnglert/JointsWP/tree/6.0-dev

[bastitch]

@JeremyEnglert It seemed there for a bit Foundation was definitely fizzling out, but it just switched hands from Zurb to a community opensource group, which is why 6.6 was finally released. It looks like it may actually survive an continue on with the community version.
I just took a quick look at the JWP6-dev, if it doesn't have Foundation, what framework will it use? From what I see it looks like it doesn't use any framework at all, and just has a bare bones grid to start off of?

[JeremyEnglert]

@JeremyEnglert It seemed there for a bit Foundation was definitely fizzling out, but it just switched hands from Zurb to a community opensource group, which is why 6.6 was finally released. It looks like it may actually survive an continue on with the community version.

I'm aware. I helped with the transition. But after some recent changes to the transition, I don't have high hopes the project will continue to be maintained at the same levels it was in the past.

JWP6 won't have any framework. With how easy it is to use NPM now, it almost makes more sense to import modules as needed instead of using a full blown framework. That's the direction the project is moving.

[squidzink]

I am here for the same reason Baggio89 is: Looking for a Foundation starter theme to replace FP. I've looked at Sage as well, but honestly, I can't start at ground zero "blank." I'm really a designer that knows enough PHP and JS to get in trouble. SASS/CSS are my game. I need something like a JointsWP or FoundationPress that has that core stuff already (mobile responsive nav, in particular, I don't want to craft from scratch).

So, just want to be clear before opting to abandon looking at JointsWP – you don't feel the spinoff of Foundation will result in forward movement and JointsWP will die, with regards to Foundation?

It feels kinda like the 90's when it looked like Apple was going down hard and I'd have to abandon Mac. Foundation is much more comfy than Bootstrap. But maybe I have to catch the wave that's breaking instead of paddling for ankle snappers.

[JeremyEnglert]

JointsWP 5 will continue to support Foundation 6.

JointsWP 6 will be framework independent.

If a Foundation 7 ever comes out, maybe I'll think about adding it back to JWP. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

Foundation served its purpose. But now there is much better frameworks available. Hell, I recently had to use Bootstrap on a client project (dumb spec) and it was actually enjoyable to work with. Less buggy than F6.

I'll always love Foundation. But in its current state, you're better off looking for alternatives if you need a framework. FoundationPress didn't deprecate for no reason - they saw this coming as well.

[JeremyEnglert]

Here's some feedback from a user beta testing the framework free version of JWP..

"Starting without a framework is probably one of the best feelings I’ve had in my web development career - I didn’t realize how encumbered I felt by having to choose “the right framework,” learn and work within that framework, and fight against it for all of the ways our designs differed from the framework’s opinions. Totally in love with the blank-slate approach!"

[bastitch]

Hi everyone!

I'll update JWP to include Foundation 6.6 tonight.

However, with Foundation slowly fizzling out, it will not be included in the next version of JWP.

@JeremyEnglert
Thanks for taking the time to update to 6.6, and I look forward to trying out the new JWP6 when I have some time to experiment with it.
When do you think the JWP5 Foundation 6.6 will be updated?

[squidzink]

@JeremyEnglert can you elaborate a little the process you referred to leveraging NPM and "modules?" My main reason for frameworks is the general mobile responsive structures/tools/components they provide via sass (grids, breakpoint controls, buttons, modals), and in particular prefab mobile responsive menus that I don't have to build but can alter if necessary. I was looking at Sage as an alternative, with which one can use a variety of frameworks or none. However, it is so "blank" that I'd have to truly create my own base starter theme layout, menu and such.

Without a framework and your upcoming v6, what is the process to have a base set up for oneself? Is it that I'd have to create all that stuff – menu, general layout rules, etc? Can those things be popped in a "modules?"

Sorry for all the questions. I'm just not really a developer, my creative action is design rather than building a robot I can use repeatedly. The robot existed already (FoundationPress or JointWP) I get out the airbrush and do the custom paint, pop on new wheels and add a sunroof.

[NRG-R9T]

Hi everyone!

I'll update JWP to include Foundation 6.6 tonight.

However, with Foundation slowly fizzling out, it will not be included in the next version of JWP. The next version of JWP is pretty bad ass and can be found here (still a work in progress): https://github.com/JeremyEnglert/JointsWP/tree/6.0-dev

Looking forward. Keep it up, mate. I use JointsWP since years, left out 1 or 2 releases and would love to see 6.6 updated or contributing for test or something else, as I'm just rebuilding my sites with JointsWP5.