Labrador Sea ice runoff #58
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There was discussion this week about the Precip biases in the high latitudes, particularly Greenland / Canadian Arctic and whether or not this might be contributing to the Lab sea freeze. A positive P bias will generally lead to stronger runoff (ice or liquid). Here are land diagnostics plots for 20yrs averages from PI control runs for CESM2 vs a recent CESM3 run (127, high lat precip isn't changing a lot across recent runs, I believe). There does seem to be more precip and runoff over Greenland |
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@olyson Could you try to take a closer look to see if you can understand how in the Canadian Arctic that P is about the same between CESM2 and CESM3, but both runoff and LH/ET are higher in CESM3? |
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Just looking back to CESM2 with the lab. sea freeze (the second one!) for context |
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Here are some maps of precip. Overall, I don't think the biases around Greenland are worse than what we had in CESM2. CESM2 definitely looked worse over the ocean around the southern tip of Greenland than the development runs do. In DJF, the precip biases (more precip) look worse over the land on the eastern edge of the Southern tip of Greenland but then CESM2 was worse over the ocean. In JJA I think we do have worse (positive) biases over North West Greenland. The nudging doesn't really improve much of the precip biases that we see, which I'm a little surprised about. I did go back and double check that the winds are being constrained, and they are. So, I don't think the nudging run is going to be that much help for this problem. |
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@adamrher has been able to reduce Greenland precip biases, but these changes also accelerate melt. Here I wanted to note that since CLM5 we made a number of changes to snow parameter values to melt snow faster and rescue Arctic vegetation from persistent snowpack that go beyond You can find these on lmwg_dev under the Dead Arctic Veg topic. Nearly all of these runs are I cases. I'll try summarizing these here, since reverting these changes would likely increase albedo & slow melt.
Finally we do have an old F2000 case from BEFORE we started mucking around with all these snow parameter in lmwg_dev_#13. Diagnostics show the following for Greenland temperature, runoff & precip. |
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A series of coupled climate model runs (with beta05) showed unexpected differences in frozen ice runoff being routed from land to ocean via the MOSART river model. Some runs have near-zero ice runoff, while others have more substantial runoff.
This raised questions about the model’s configuration and the reliability of the results. These differences were also examined in whether the Labrador Sea froze early in some simulations.
There was a bug in beta05 (runs 122-129) that the glacier-to-runoff ice flux wasn't connected properly, which meant that all frozen runoff – positive or negative – that was supposed to be routed clm -> dglc -> mosart -> mom was being zeroed out in the dglc -> mosart step.
The treatment of snow capping is complicated. I believe that, in current configurations, snow capping over Greenland (positive SMB) is sent to DGLC, then routed as ice to MOSART; snow capping over Antarctica is sent as ice to MOSART (because we currently aren't using DGLC over Antarctica); and snow capping elsewhere is first melted and then sent as liquid to MOSART.
Once we implemented the DGLC model, this problem of what to do with snow capped ice actually became much more straightforward. Instead of a complicated reservoir system, we simply spread around positive mass flux to "fill the melted holes" in the ice sheet, a bit like a hole-filling algorithm for, say, water vapor in the atmospheric column. The end result of this is much less (mostly zero) negative water fluxes from the ice sheet and less positive fluxes during melt years. This was all implemented with the DGLC model last summer, so every simulation since, about September 2024, should have included this code. And I don't think it's been changed at all since then.
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