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- Solicitation of notetaker
- Acceptance of Previous Meeting Minutes
- Introduction of new members
- Solicit availability for RustConf 2026 SCRC Room
- Please put availability on this LettuceMeet
- Discuss possible 2-3 coding guidelines to choose for Clippy lints
- Picking "decidable" ones probably good
- Let's look here: https://coding-guidelines.arewesafetycriticalyet.org/coding-guidelines/expressions/index.html
- First version of MISRA C + CERT C Appendices live
- Pete will now mine these appendices for creating issues for contributors
- Liaison White Paper Solicitation (Alex)
- Interest in the MISRA C++ mapping (mira / Pete)
- Updates on new things in the MISRA C++ => Rust mapping
- In talks with MISRA folks still; but in practice the procedure outlined seemed reasonable to them
- Please register interest on this Zulip thread
- Round table
- Pete LeVasseur ➕
- Oreste Bernardi 🌞
- Markus Hosch 🤯
- Max Jacinto 📖
- Samuel Wright ☀️
- Mira Baumann
- Alex Celeste ☕
- Achim Kriso 🦆
Notetaker:
- Alex Celeste
For tips on how we take notes in the Safety-Critical Rust Consortium, please see the Meeting Notetaker Role doc.
- Document space: coding-guidelines
- Zulip: safety-critical-consortium: Coding Guidelines
- Kanban board
contributor experienceviewcoding guidelineview
- Alex: create an Issue listing the rules we have identified as applicable and their starting partial coverage lints
- Sam: investigate lint ii (pointer as underscore)
- Pete: investigate lint iii (integer to pointer, general conversions)
- Pete: open an Issue for lint i (int as int)
- Alex: circulate the zeroth Whitepaper draft onto Zulip with ideas jotted down by Pete
- Pete: add a usage statement for copyrighted material to the shared drive and also to the end of the minutes template
- Previous minutes accepted with formatting fixes
- Still need to decide on a day for the SCRC room at RustConf
- Also need to arrange the online component
- Having had two expert sessions now the group is ready to pick out 2-3 Clippy lints to work on
- Reviewing the expression rules list: most are decidable, especially if type-oriented rather than value-oriented
- No `as` with integers is extremely similar to existing lints (no blanket lint but a widening lint exists) e.g. `clippy::cast_lossless` - inexact match but demonstrates checking of `as`
- `as`-pointer casts is also similar to existing lints e.g. `clippy::ptr_as_ptr`, `clippy::as_pointer_underscore` - inexact match
- Integer to pointer has some support as `integer-to-ptr-transmutes`, still only partial coverage (transmute only)
- Shifting out of range and division by zero are not decidable, partial support in `arithmetic-overflow` - probably intent to split the shift rule into constant and dynamic versions for decidability as the more constrained case is still useful; the existing lint is focused on constant shift rhs values only; the general case of the rule needs to be changed to undecidable
- Related lint in `clippy::arithmetic_side_effects` which bans the native infix operators that have a risk of overflow behaviours
- Integer to pointer conversions has two rules in the decidable and undecidable flavours; the decidable rule is partially covered by the lints above
- Is there a reason we are particularly interested in the underscore for this rule?
- Converting to a `dyn` type is checked whereas converting between pointer types is (implicit) unsafe and unchecked
- Reviewing the expression rules list: most are decidable, especially if type-oriented rather than value-oriented
- The Appendices are live! GH Issues still to be generated from these, which may be a lot
- Liaison White Paper Solicitation (Alex)
- Proposal paper on items of shared value to pool funding
- For example: having the Guidelines completed; having Clippy lints written to enforce as many of the Guidelines as possible; having people with the Community dedicating time to that work; getting safety qualification for Clippy or other tools (bindgen etc); getting the guidance/documentation available to pursue qualification independently
- All of these items should be hardware, OS, vendor generic, and aiming to be useful to all or any of the existing safety standards (auto, aero, etc)
- Enlist the various topics from Rust Week into a draft document and then circulate on Zulip
- Identify users of guidelines
- Challenges in enforcing guidelines
- Vendor opportunities (tooling)
- Perspective of an assessor that has assessed Rust code
- Success stories of application of Clippy lints in safety-critical context
- Proposal paper on items of shared value to pool funding
- On MISRA C++
- Pete is in contact with David and Andrew at MISRA w.r.t supply of MISRA materials; agreeable so long as usage/access is restricted in some fashion to members of the WG only (i.e. MISRA C and MISRA C++ will be made visible to individual members)
- Same statement of use needs to go on all the meeting notes
- Mira continues to make progress on working through the MISRA C++ rules
- The preprocessor remains an unstarted topic
- Questions for Doug on certain specific rules
Any material to read before the meeting should be included here.
Overview of Safety-Critical Rust Rust Project Goals Roadmap (Pete)
- Soliciting those interested in Normative Documentation for Sound unsafe Rust goal
- Register interest here on Rust Zulip
- Soliciting those interested in Establish a Spot for Safety-Critical Lints in Clippy goal
- Register interest here on Rust Zulip