UWP still supported?

[markusbkk]

I'm a wee bit confused. The README mentions UWP, yet in several issues you mention that UWP will be dropped/has been dropped. The examples already appear to have been removed.

Is UWP still a valid target or no? If yes, where may I find some simple examples for a BGFX newbie?

[RazielXYZ]

While UWP is still "supported" by Microsoft, in that it still works, they do not recommend using it for any new projects and do not develop it anymore. Because of that, support in bgfx is not maintained anymore either. What do you want to use UWP for?

[markusbkk]

I'm mainly interested in UWP for XBOX. Microsoft has yet to roll out an alternative (GDK isn't feasible for small indie devs without a solid track record in console development).

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[RazielXYZ]

GDK is public and can be used to integrate just about everything that would be needed for Xbox too. GDKX to make it then actually run on XBox would need ID@XBOX approval - not sure how stringent they are on letting people in, but based on what they've said, they have made it less so as time went on since the program's inception.

Creators Program still says "use UWP" even though Microsoft doesn't recommend using it in any (other) capacity. So from that point of view, I'm not sure what they want people to do. The Creators Collection and projects published through the Creators Program in general also seem to have been just about forgotten by them.

From my point of view I would probably try integrating with the public GDK and then getting approval for ID@XBOX when a project is in a good state, hopefully get approved, get the GDKX through that, then integrate whatever (supposedly small) bits are specific to that; integrating with UWP would likely not be very future-proof (not that most of microsoft's frameworks are, historically speaking)

That said, most of the UWP code has not been excised yet as far as I can tell, except entry_winrt.cx; if you want to play around with that approach you can, but it is not officially supported by bgfx anymore.

[markusbkk]

GDK is public and can be used to integrate just about everything that would be needed for Xbox too. GDKX to make it then actually run on XBox would need ID@XBOX approval - not sure how stringent they are on letting people in, but based on what they've said, they have made it less so as time went on since the program's inception.

Creators Program still says "use UWP" even though Microsoft doesn't recommend using it in any (other) capacity. So from that point of view, I'm not sure what they want people to do. The Creators Collection and projects published through the Creators Program in general also seem to have been just about forgotten by them.

From my point of view I would probably try integrating with the public GDK and then getting approval for ID@XBOX when a project is in a good state, hopefully get approved, get the GDKX through that, then integrate whatever (supposedly small) bits are specific to that; integrating with UWP would likely not be very future-proof (not that most of microsoft's frameworks are, historically speaking)

That said, most of the UWP code has not been excised yet as far as I can tell, except entry_winrt.cx; if you want to play around with that approach you can, but it is not officially supported by bgfx anymore.

Thanks! I'll see if I can make it work with the deleted entry_winrt.cx. In the future I'm sure I'll switch to GDKX but for now I want something that works and lets me prototype things on XBOX Series X without an ID license.

I assume this one will work or is there a newer commit somewhere, prior to its deletion?

[RazielXYZ]

https://github.com/bkaradzic/bgfx/tree/85910e9778740672803ef9153449197bfb57b901 is the lastest commit that still has it