dps values

[NightrunLP]

Hi.
If I remember correctly, dps in ICC with full 264/277 itemlevel gear was around 12-18k dps. Both me and my bots can't reach those numbers - not by a long shot.
Is that just the way it is on AC - or am I doing something wrong/did I get really bad at this?

[Dohtt]

I did a test where i just autogeared bots to 277/284 (This is with non optimal setups, they just had a bunch of random ilvl 277/284 items, but nothing close to the best in slot builds they could make).

With more minmaxing / going for better gear setups where you actually get tier set bonusses etc on classes that need it, focus on hitting the caps that the classes need etc, i can see bots performing better.

Things like this website help with that: https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/rogue/

[NightrunLP]

Wow 😮 Nothing close to that. My fully 264 (not 277 though) geared survival hunter does like 5-6k dps on Patchwork. On fights with more movement it drops to maybe 3k. I‘ll gear some guys to the teeth and will test it again. Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 21.04.2025 um 06:30 schrieb Dohtt ***@***.***>:  image.png (view on web)<https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/e700f86e-8da7-493d-ab35-990bbe84d454> I did a test where i just autogeared bots to 277/284 (This is with non optimal setups, they just had a bunch of random ilvl 277/284 items, but nothing close to the best in slot builds they could make) — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub<#1223 (comment)>, or unsubscribe<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AUOVVFLKHU55LBQZJ7DJOCD22RX4RAVCNFSM6AAAAAB3QHF3SOVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43URDJONRXK43TNFXW4Q3PNVWWK3TUHMYTEOBZGQ3TANI>. You are receiving this because you authored the thread.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[Dohtt]

In comparison: This was how the values looked on Patchwerk 25 for me.

This was my first ever Naxxramas 25 with this group, no one autogeared so the average itemlevel was +- 180-200

[Noscopezz]

As mentioned before, autogear equips random gear, but even with that bots should do at least 10k dps overall. After coming back to raiding ICC (about 2 months of pause) there were many updates to core and mod and, I did see massive improvement in bot dps.

I managed to get 25k peak dps and around 15-18k overall on dbs fight (10 man normal) 25 man could be even better peak. To achieve that I manually added BIS gear and did /p maintenance command so that bots automatically equip gems and enchants (not bis but better than nothing), and there is /p nc +worldbuff (buff for elixirs and food).
I was also running max icc raid buff 30%.

Really important for any raid is that after you setup/change talents you need to run ResetBotAI commands which will help bot figure out that they are not heal/dps/tank anymore but spec that you changed them to be. Use unbot or multi bot addons, they all the commands you need.

[Dohtt]

My dps meters were from november, so i'd assume those would also go up yea.

[NightrunLP]

Thanks for all the input. I never used random bots due to issues with persistence. I made 3 accounts with 25 alts total and specced each of them manually. I‘ll do a test run after work with a team of random bots and will report back. Maybe my recount addon is bugged 😝 Message ID: ***@***.***>

[Dohtt]

My bots were altbots (3 accounts, 25 bots too)

[NightrunLP]

Oh, I thought autogear and maintenance only worked on random bots 😆 Message ID: ***@***.***>

[kadeshar]

You can compare real player with bots with specific boss/phase/gear etc using warcraftlogs.
For example Dohtt pasted screen from patchwerk (wotlk phase 1) where average ilvl was 190.
I always using 50th percentile option to find average player base :)
For me most bots playing (on patchwerk etc) like average human player. But if you find something unusal please report
Results:


https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1015?boss=101118&region=1&bracket=6&dataset=50

[wetbrownsauce]

warcraft logs isn't 100% accurate as classic wotlk had some changes applied to help with certain classes. For example, https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=204385/glyph-of-reckoning did not exist in original wotlk.

[kadeshar]

Yeap but more or less showing what value we should expect.
First step is recognize which class/spec have problem with dps and check rotation

[NightrunLP]

Okay, I made a pretty long test today.
First, I geared 3 DPS bots to the teeth (BIS gear, BIS enchants, BIS gemstones) and tested them against Anub Rekhan (25p; 1st Skada data), a training dummy (2nd data spread) and Patchwork (25p; p) together with my "normal" raid setup.

Just fyi:
Memnosyne is an elemental shaman with 273,73 itemlevel.
Floydlina is a demonlogy warlock with 272,33 itemlevel.
Nirala is a marksman hunter with 272,46 itemlevel.
Besides that Jowy has a itemlevel of 242,53, Randgridr of 212,8, Shosuke even 204!
Both "low level" dps are somewhat competitive to a hardcore hunter. In the fight against Patchwork Nirala used some skills, still autoshot is the most important damage source - against Anub she didn't use anything besides aimed and steady shot - no chimera, no serpent sting.

There seems to be serious issues with marksman rotation. I think she wanted to start all over again when she was thrown into the air by Anub - still, this is lacking. Floydlina and Memnosyne are behaving a little better, but against Patchwork I'd expect at least 15k dps.

[NightrunLP]

Did a test in ICC, there Nirala does around 11.5k DPS - still a bit low, but better than before.

[kadeshar]

This marksman hunter have proper gear (i saw somewhere else that is problem with that)?
Im never played hunter :(
I have logs from example from ignis. Doesnt look pretty bad.
Can someone check his rotation?
You can take data using nc +debug to check their decisions.
I have such logs but currently focusing on something different and dont know what is important in this rotation.

[NightrunLP]

Yeah, the hunter is a player character equipped with GM to the absolute maximum. At least in ICC he was competitive with the other 2 geared characters. I don‘t know what happened in Naxxramas tbh. What is NC +debug? Or I‘ll put it another way: how exactly do I check his rotation? What I find interesting in your data: volley is an aoe spell - marksman can do much better against Ignis using his single target rotation. I‘ll quote IcyVeins for the proper rotation: Always start by ensuring all the required buffs are active, you have [Aspect of the Dragonhawk Icon] Aspect of the Dragonhawk<https://wowclassicdb.com/wotlk/spell/61847> up, and [Hunter's Mark Icon] Hunter's Mark<https://wowclassicdb.com/wotlk/spell/53338> is on the target. 1. [Kill Shot Icon] Kill Shot<https://wowclassicdb.com/wotlk/spell/61006> 2. [Kill Command Icon] Kill Command<https://wowclassicdb.com/wotlk/spell/34026> 3. Maintain [Serpent Sting Icon] Serpent Sting<https://wowclassicdb.com/wotlk/spell/25295> 4. [Explosive Trap Icon] Explosive Trap<https://wowclassicdb.com/wotlk/spell/49067> 5. [Chimera Shot Icon] Chimera Shot<https://wowclassicdb.com/wotlk/spell/53209> 6. [Aimed Shot Icon] Aimed Shot<https://wowclassicdb.com/wotlk/spell/19434> 7. [Arcane Shot Icon] Arcane Shot<https://wowclassicdb.com/wotlk/spell/27019> 8. [Silencing Shot Icon] Silencing Shot<https://wowclassicdb.com/wotlk/spell/34490> 9. [Steady Shot Icon] Steady Shot<https://wowclassicdb.com/wotlk/spell/49052> as your filler. [Chimera Shot Icon]Chimera Shot<https://wowclassicdb.com/wotlk/spell/53209> will refresh [Serpent Sting Icon] Serpent Sting<https://wowclassicdb.com/wotlk/spell/25295> for you, so you should never need to manually reapply it. [Arcane Shot Icon] Arcane Shot<https://wowclassicdb.com/wotlk/spell/27019> will eventually be dropped from your rotation once you reach around ~430 ArP, as it is not Physical damage and does not scale well with your talents. Message ID: ***@***.***>

[kadeshar]

"/w botname nc +debug" starts bot whisper bot to master his every decision. You can check that he is doing rotation in correct way.
For now i only checked that hunter have only one rotation for every class which maybe its main problem