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"body": "So annoying to have that message for shell commands. When echoing two lines `:echo \"line 1\" | echo \"line 2\"` with `cmdheight=2` the message is not displayed. How on earth it is enforced for shell commands, even if the output can perfectly fit into the command line.\n\n> I think there's an improvement that can be made without compromising any existing use cases: if a command returns empty, don't show a \"Press ENTER\" prompt; instead, just echo a \"shell returned \" status message.\n\nCouldn't agree more.\n",
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