Complete text of BDB?

Nice work! I would like to see the complete text of BDB, including the introduction. Is that something you would consider? Does the answer depend on who does the work?

[DavidTroidl]

We have the front matter. It just hasn't made it into the release. The
full text is pretty much beyond the capability of one individual, so it
does depend on who does the work. I had a quirky PHP app for editing
the lexicon, that Daniel and I used to get it into its present form.
I've made some progress in updating it to the current format, and making
it somewhat more stable. Then so many other things came along, it
remains in limbo.

On 12/3/2013 10:22 AM, biblicalhumanities wrote:

Nice work! I would like to see the complete text of BDB, including the
introduction. Is that something you would consider? Does the answer
depend on who does the work?

—
Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub
#3.

[rrshaban]

Hi @DavidTroidl,

How much of the text BDB is currently posted in BrownDriverBriggs.xml? Is there a rough estimate of how much remains a work in progress? How can people help with getting it completed?

thank you,
Razi

[DavidTroidl]

Hi,

Brown, Driver, Briggs is a huge work. We have all the entries
represented. Some of the shorter ones are complete. Most of the others
have the "most significant" information included. We don't really have
a user-friendly method of contributing, but anybody who wants to extend
the work is free to do so. It's really hard to say how much we have
completed. A very uneducated guess would be maybe 35%?

Peace,

David

On 2/26/2015 4:11 PM, Razi Shaban wrote:

Hi @DavidTroidl https://github.com/DavidTroidl,

How much of the text BDB is currently posted in BrownDriverBriggs.xml?
Is there a rough estimate of how much remains a work in progress? How
can people help with getting it completed?

thank you,
Razi

—
Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub
#3 (comment).

---

This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
http://www.avast.com

[rrshaban]

Have you given any thought to scraping a website that has the BDB posted? e.g. http://biblehub.com/hebrew/776.htm

I'm not sure how the terms of use for the BDB are, but as the BDB is in the public domain, I don't see a reason why scraping the digital version there might not be allowed. The attribution given there is as follows:

"Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon, Unabridged, Electronic Database.
Copyright © 2002, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc.
All rights reserved. Used by permission. BibleSoft.com"

[dowens76]

Judging by a quick look at that entry, their database is abridged. I would think that what we have already at least has as much as that one and is unencumbered by their copyright assertions.

[strouptl]

@DavidTroidl this is a wonderful resource! I stumbled across it looking for some lexical information that I was not able to get at through the Accordance UI, and was able to export exactly what I needed using a simple XML parser. I see that "all entries are represented" from your comments above, but I was just wondering if you know for sure if all stems are present for those entries?

[DavidTroidl]

I just came across an entry recently that seemed to need its senses
expanded. There may in fact be some verbs that don't have all their
stems represented. I have just uploaded the latest revision.

On 3/7/2016 2:14 AM, Laney Stroup wrote:

@DavidTroidl https://github.com/DavidTroidl this is a wonderful
resource! I stumbled across it looking for some lexical information
that I was not able to get at through the Accordance UI, and was able
to export exactly what I needed using a simple XML parser. I see that
"all entries are represented" from your comments above, but I was just
wondering if you know for sure if all stems are present for those entries?

—
Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub
#3 (comment).

---

This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

[EliezerIsrael]

http://www.ericlevy.com/Revel/BDB/BDB/main.htm

This version of the BDB appears to be complete, although I have seen a few minor errors - numbering of senses being off, in particular. It looks to be parseable, with some effort.

[dowens76]

Wow, that is an impressive piece of work, thanks for the link. I wonder if he would make his source files available.

[EliezerIsrael]

From the looks of it, R. Eric Levy copied it from biblecentre.net, which is no longer online. I reached out to R. Levy, but haven't yet heard back. It's relatively easy to download the entire html of the website. Then it's just a small matter of parsing. :)

The base text is in the public domain, but some of the emendations here make me wonder if this was digitized from a newer version that someone may try to assert rights over. In any case, the core material is squarely in the public domain, and no one could protest if the core work of the BDB were parsed and redistributed from here.

[DavidTroidl]

I had the BDB from BibleCentre.net years ago, and had done some significant work with it. Then I deleted everything I had, due to this post https://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org/justintaylor/2008/06/24/biblecentrenet-intellectual-property/. There was no provenance of the data, and it appeared suspect. Certainly BDB is in the public domain, but someone put extensive work into making those files, and I personally would not use them without permission.

…

On 12/22/2016 2:52 AM, Lev Eliezer Israel wrote: From the looks of it, R. Eric Levy copied it from biblecentre.net, which is no longer online. I reached out to R. Levy, but haven't yet heard back. It's relatively easy to download the entire html of the website. Then it's just a small matter of parsing. :) The base text is in the public domain, but some of the emendations here make me wonder if this was digitized from a newer version that someone may try to assert rights over. In any case, the core material is squarely in the public domain, and no one could protest if the core work of the BDB were parsed and redistributed from here. — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#3 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAKwBTQSl7KbtUZhKRX_tqg1Ihqmybozks5rKiwqgaJpZM4BRd9a>.

--- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

[dowens76]

Thanks, David. On 12/22/16 8:09 PM, David Troidl wrote: I had the BDB from BibleCentre.net years ago, and had done some significant work with it. Then I deleted everything I had, due to this post https://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org/justintaylor/2008/06/24/biblecentrenet-intellectual-property/. There was no provenance of the data, and it appeared suspect. Certainly BDB is in the public domain, but someone put extensive work into making those files, and I personally would not use them without permission. On 12/22/2016 2:52 AM, Lev Eliezer Israel wrote: From the looks of it, R. Eric Levy copied it from biblecentre.net, which is no longer online. I reached out to R. Levy, but haven't yet heard back. It's relatively easy to download the entire html of the website. Then it's just a small matter of parsing. :) The base text is in the public domain, but some of the emendations here make me wonder if this was digitized from a newer version that someone may try to assert rights over. In any case, the core material is squarely in the public domain, and no one could protest if the core work of the BDB were parsed and redistributed from here. — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#3 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAKwBTQSl7KbtUZhKRX_tqg1Ihqmybozks5rKiwqgaJpZM4BRd9a>.

…

--- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. {"api_version":"1.0","publisher":{"api_key":"05dde50f1d1a384dd78767c55493e4bb","name":"GitHub"},"entity":{"external_key":"github/openscriptures/HebrewLexicon","title":"openscriptures/HebrewLexicon","subtitle":"GitHub repository","main_image_url":<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/143418/17495839/a5054eac-5d88-11e6-95fc-7290892c7bb5.png">"https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/143418/17495839/a5054eac-5d88-11e6-95fc-7290892c7bb5.png"</a>,"avatar_image_url":<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/143418/15842166/7c72db34-2c0b-11e6-9aed-b52498112777.png">"https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/143418/15842166/7c72db34-2c0b-11e6-9aed-b52498112777.png"</a>,"action":{"name":"Open in GitHub","url":<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://github.com/openscriptures/HebrewLexicon">"https://github.com/openscriptures/HebrewLexicon"</ a>}},"updates":{"snippets":[{"icon":"PERSON","message":"@DavidTroidl in #3: I had the BDB from BibleCentre.net years ago, and had done some \nsignificant work with it. Then I deleted everything I had, due to this \npost \nhttps://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org/justintaylor/2008/06/24/biblecentrenet-intellectual-property/. \nThere was no provenance of the data, and it appeared suspect. Certainly \nBDB is in the public domain, but someone put extensive work into making \nthose files, and I personally would not use them without permission.\n\n\nOn 12/22/2016 2:52 AM, Lev Eliezer Israel wrote:\n\u003e\n\u003e From the looks of it, R. Eric Levy copied it from biblecentre.net, \n\u003e which is no longer online. I reached out to R. Levy, but haven't yet \n\u003e heard back. It's relatively easy to download the entire html of the \n\u003e website. Then it's just a small matter of parsing. :)\n\u003e\n\u003e The base text is in the public domain, but some of the emendations \n\u003e here make me wonder if this was digitized from a newer version that \n\u003e someone may try to assert rights over. In any case, the core material \n\u003e is squarely in the public domain, and no one could protest if the core \n\u003e work of the BDB were parsed and redistributed from here.\n\u003e\n\u003e —\n\u003e You are receiving this because you were mentioned.\n\u003e Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub \n\u003e \u003chttps://github.com/openscriptures/HebrewLexicon/issues/3#issuecomment-268739997\u003e, \n\u003e or mute the thread \n\u003e \u003chttps://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAKwBTQSl7KbtUZhKRX_tqg1Ihqmybozks5rKiwqgaJpZM4BRd9a\u003e.\n\u003e\n\n\n\n---\nThis email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.\nhttps://www.avast.com/antivirus\n"}],"action":{"name":"View Issue","url":<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="#3 (comment)">"https://github.com/openscriptures/HebrewLe xicon/issues/3#issuecomment-268796246"</a>}}}

[EliezerIsrael]

Ah, well that is disappointing. I'm not terribly surprised, though.

Do we have any idea who the proper originator of the BDB data is? I'd love to have a conversation with them. Perhaps there's a way we can get it released into the commons legitimately.

[EliezerIsrael]

Likely from Logos.
https://www.logos.com/product/1796/enhanced-brown-driver-briggs-hebrew-and-english-lexicon

[dowens76]

Oooh, best not to mess with that.