Workshop not triggering.

[devicenul]

Hey and thanks for all the work on KS. I played the Kitten Game ages ago and used this back then. Picked up playing again recently and got into the end-game slog and went searching for KS.

I'm seeing an issue where Workshop crafting never seems to trigger. I've tried setting the trigger values very low (70%, 50%, 30%, 1%). I don't have any limitations set at the moment. I wasn't sure if the pre-existing engineers I had could be conflicting so I unassigned them all (though left them as engineers) and that didn't make a difference.

Hopefully this is a PEBCAK error on me that I'm missing.

I'm not currently using

• Bonfire (Enabled, no options set)
• Science (Enabled, no options set)
• Resource Control (no options set)
• Trade (Not Enabled)
• Space (Not Enabled)
• Time (not Enabled)
• Time Control (Not Enabled)
• State Management (no options set)

What I'm trying to use:

• Village (Enabled, options below set and appear to work)
  • Hunt
  • Hold Festivals
  • Promote kittens
  • Promote leader
• Workshop (Enabled, options below set an never seem to fire regardless of trigger values)
  • Refine Catnip
  • Wooden Beam
  • Stone Slab
  • Steel
  • Alloy
  • Eludium
  • Kerosene
  • Parchment
  • Thorium
• Religion (Enabled, options below set and appear to work)
  • Sacrifice Unicorns
  • Sacrifice Alicorns
  • Praise the Sun

Kitten Game v 1.4.9.4 (12 Dec 2024)
Kitten Scientists v2.0.0-beta.9
Tamper Monkey 5.3.3
Chrome Version 133.0.6943.55 (Official Build) (arm64)

kittensgame.com-1740162822640.log

[oliversalzburg]

It's quite possible that this is broken in beta 9. Sadly, a lot of bugs made it into that release. A lot of fixes have already been added to the source, and I'm aiming for a new release in March.

If you can, please see if the behavior is to your expectations in the nightly build. If not, this will require a bit of research.

[devicenul]

Switched to the nightly build and seems things are mostly working though it looks like there may be some triggers that are broken. For instance,it looks like Steel triggers but Alloy doesn't. Set trigger % for it to 50% and it let titanium go all the way to 100% and never fired.

I manually crafted both to drain things down and toggled KS on and off to see if it was something that didn't get applied correctly. I'll see in the morning if it looks like it ever hit.

[oliversalzburg]

All the crafting options go through the same mechanism, so I wouldn't expect individual craft triggers to be broken. Because KS no longer ships any real default settings, you can end up in situations where stuff doesn't trigger and you have a hard time finding the cause. I'm in the process of adding more UI guidance for such cases.

The most common cause for crafts not working is just some conflict in the settings though. Using Eco Mode, Triggers and Resource Control efficiently for all crafts can be quite challenging.

If you still feel like there's a bug, I would appreciate a bug ticket with a savegame export. That helps me to keep track of open work, and makes it easier to investigate specific user experiences.

[devicenul]

Something feels definitely amiss - but maybe it is me.

Right now, I have the following Workshop settings trying to test this:

Steel: Infinite, 50%
Alloy: Infinite, 50%

So I'd expect a craft steel action to trigger whenever Coal or Iron hit 50% of capacity if I understand things right which could be the issue. This happens, I see a stream of Kittens have crafted NN.MM steel in the logs. Coal is setting at ~ 576K / 720K and Iron at ~2.25M / 2.37M so it seems a little skewed but it's constantly producing and preventing lost resources from either of them pegging 100%.

I'd also expect Alloy to trigger whenever Titanium hits 50% of capacity (since Steel is uncapped - and if I read the documentation correctly), but right now Titanium is sitting at 226.42K / 226.24K and (uncapped) Steel at 44.38K. I'd expect to there to be lots of Alloy craft events and if I scroll way back in the logs I see a few but then they stop and nothing but Steel. Maybe I have the trigger logic wrong and they don't even look at the capped resources if any of the inputs are uncapped?

The behavior is almost as if after a while, it just forgets about Alloy all together. If I manually craft all and drop the levels down to zero for Titanium, it doesn't resume but it does seem when I dropped them all down and did a page refresh that it worked for some portion of the night before it stopped.

Are there instructions to grab a detailed log if my config should be working?

[oliversalzburg]

So I'd expect a craft steel action to trigger whenever Coal or Iron hit 50% of capacity.

This is most likely the cause of the problem. See #342 It's a common source of irritation.

I generally advice not to craft to infinity, and utilize Eco Mode (previously named "Limited") to balance resource spend. I had a prototype of a more granular control over crafting, but the UI/UX issues have higher priority right now.

[devicenul]

That likely is it or a subset but interestingly, it seems to have issues when I tried 1%, 50%, 90%, 95%, or 99.9% values. The other odd thing is (and maybe this is due to having the limit set to ∞) is that I'd expect when triggered it would craft all it could but is seems to be doing the smallest amount which sometimes lets production outstrip crafting so you keep capping out limited resources.

But after playing with trigger values and toggling Eco which did not work as expected I can see how its working. Definitely a tough set of problems to present in an understandable UI. Thanks for all the help.