CNCF org move, what should the final name be?

[Luap99]

As part of the CNCF requirements we should move our CNCF projects repositories to its own github organisation. At present this will be podman, buildah, skopeo however we also have plans to add some more subprojects as well under the official Podman Container Tools CNCF project, see https://github.com/containers/podman/blob/main/GOVERNANCE.md#adding-subprojects

At present we created a new org called podman-io, this was created as temporary space to test out the CNCF CI infra but the name was not officially voted or approved by core maintainers.

Since cirrus CI is going away on June 1st we will need to move our CI infra and we would like to use the CNCF infra so the org move most be completed by then, more info about the CI situation is tracked here #28525.

As such I like to ask all core maintainers to either agree on the podman-io name or suggest alternatives.

cc @baude @nalind @mheon @giuseppe @mtrmac @containers/podman-maintainers

[Luap99]

For my own opinion I am fine using podman-io, I at least cannot think of something better, just podman is already taken.
But if someone suggests alternatives I will consider them and I am fine going with a different name if I like that one better.

[mheon]

I'm generally OK with podman-io

[ashley-cui]

my only concern having both podman-io/podman.io and podman-io/podman as repos under podman-io can get confusing

[ashley-cui]

I like podman-container-tools since that's our official name in the CNCF

[Luap99]

my only problem with that is that it feels to long to type

[ashley-cui]

Yeah that's true. I feel like this name manages the confusion between podman container tools and podman desktop a bit better though, but org names are not dealbreakers for me, just throwing an option into the hat

[Luap99]

I think it is a good suggestion and I agree with your point about it being less confusing. I would certainly be ok using that though I at least slightly prefer podman-io still.

[baude]

illdathac <-- look it up ... selki-ish
cairde i think is also strong

[danishprakash]

Some suggestions:

• opencontainertools (though opencontainerstools is available)
• ocitools

Though both are currently taken up by seemingly inactive orgs.

[Luap99]

https://github.com/opencontainers already exists and is used by the OCI which we are not a part of. So these names would be confusing

[giuseppe]

I am fine with any of the names above.

Some other suggestions:

• cncf-containers
• cncf-podman
• cncf-container-tools

The cncf- prefix keep it short and hopefully clarify that we won't add repositories that are not part of the CNCF move.

[Honny1]

I like @giuseppe's suggestion of cncf-container-tools, but I'm also okay with podman-io.

[mheon]

I think it's a good alternative to podman-container-tools from @ashley-cui - it's a bit shorter and more inclusive of our other projects

[ashley-cui]

i'd be open to it if the cncf allows us to have the cncf prefix in our org name, but at the same time it's only 2 characters shorter

[lsm5]

I think podman would be easier than cncf, especially for regular users of podman.

[l0rd]

Have we considered having podman and podman desktop under the same GitHub org?

[Luap99]

They are different CNCF projects with a (potentially) different governance so I do not think that would be a good idea. For example I expect all core maintainers to be github org owners but they should not be able to merge PRs for PD then as we are not maintainers there.

[l0rd]

In this case, we may want the organization's name to reflect that. The name podman-io is broad, and I would expect the org to include PD too. Names like podman-cli or podman-libs are narrower names that better reflect the distinction.

[l0rd]

cncf-container-tools looks too broad. Many of the CNCF projects can be considered container-tools and reserving a GitHub org only for Podman and its dependencies may be seen as presumptuous.

[mheon]

Should we go a few more days accepting suggestions, then do a poll of maintainers & core maintainers to decide which to use?

[Luap99]

We can wait until mid next week, then we should make final decision end of next week I would say. Either in text here or maybe in the community meeting on May 21st.

[mheon]

Let's have a final vote here. I'll add a message in this thread for each proposed name that got significant support. We can vote with the thumbs-up emoji on each message.

[mheon]

podman-container-tools

[mheon]

cncf-container-tools (Potentially problematic, we may not be able to use this)

[mheon]

@containers/core-maintainers PTAL

[mheon]

We can make our final choice on Friday. Timescale is short but we need to get this move done before Cirrus shuts down.

[mheon]

Decided: It's podman-container-tools