auth.lower + shorttitle(3,3) + year will cause citation key too long.

[earthmoon]

Hello,
If using the default setting of auth.lower + shorttitle(3,3) + year in the Better Bibtex, there are two problems:

1. The citation key will be very long, as it would use all the Chinese characters in title;
2. No matter whether enabling the function of Force citation key to plain text, it always converts Chinese character in the title to plain text.

If the reference contains Chinese characters, the citation key will affect any thing in Latex. Because the Latex file of course can deal with Chinese characters.

[retorquere]

Use auth.lower + title.jieba.select(n=3) + year

[earthmoon]

Isn’t jieba Pinyin? Is it about Japanese? If it can use Pinyin, it is better. Thanks.

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[retorquere]

Use auth.lower + title.jieba.fold(chinese).select(n=3) + year

[earthmoon]

auth.lower + title.jieba.fold(chinese).select(n=3) + year

Hi retorquere,
I have tested two methods of auth.lower + title.jieba.select(n=3) + year and auth.lower + title.jieba.fold(chinese).select(n=3) + year. The first will use all the Chinese characters of titles and the second will convert all the Chinese characters to Pinyin. They are all too long and n=3 doesn't work.

[JHC-NEWGUY]

1. Thank you for your reply and guidance.
2. I guess it's a problem of my own ability. Because I'm not a programmer myself and only know a little knowledge. Now I use this code [auth][year][shortitle], and the output result is what I said above.
3. After your prompt, I found that it is okay to use this code. Thank you very much.

Code: auth(n=0,m=1,creator="*",initials=false).fold + year + shorttitle.jieba.fold(chinese).select(0,3)

[JHC-NEWGUY]

我就直接使用中文了，我估计老外应该不会遇到这个问题。
结论：个人认为无解
如果是写中文的期刊论文，一般不会使用latex。（毕业论文除外）
如果是写英文的期刊论文，一般也不会引用中文的文献，所以不存在这个问题。

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1. 我想，那个东西之所以长，主要的原因是在中文方面。譬如“基于特征筛选和集成学习的轴承故障诊断”，被弄成了“chenshengfan2023JiYuTeZhengShaiXuanHeJiChengXueXiDeZhouChengGuZhangZhenDuan”，英文的文献，应该是没有这个问题的。
2. 我去查了下，https://retorque.re/zotero-better-bibtex/citing/，也可以看下，select的用法是，从传入的值中选择单词。格式为select(start,number)（从 1 开始），所以select(1,4)或select(n=4)将选择前四个单词。如果未给出，则选择从到结尾的所有单词。注意是单词。那一堆中文的拼音在外文里面被默认问了一个单词，所以，没有什么用处的。
3. 整个看了下，没有截断这个操作的，所以放弃了，就这样吧。或者等大牛了

[retorquere]

Use something like title.jieba.select.

[retorquere]

Or .substring, but .jieba sounds closer to what you describe you want.

[JHC-NEWGUY]

1. Thank you for your reply and guidance.
2. I guess it's a problem of my own ability. Because I'm not a programmer myself and only know a little knowledge. Now I use this code [auth][year][shortitle], and the output result is what I said above.
3. After your prompt, I found that it is okay to use this code. Thank you very much.

Code: auth(n=0,m=1,creator="*",initials=false).fold + year + shorttitle.jieba.fold(chinese).select(0,3)

[JHC-NEWGUY]

Reminder:

1. I am using Zotero version 6.0.36.
2. auth.lower + year + title.jieba.fold(chinese).select(n=2) is also okay.
3. [auth.lower][year][title.jieba.fold(chinese).select(n=2)] is also okay.

[retorquere]

No problem, it's always OK to ask.

The bracketed syntax is supported but doesn't support everything of the new format.

[kerim]

So, I've been using the formula

auth.lower + shorttitle(3, 3) + year

And ran into this issue with a Chinese entry. The title is:

「離開台北就成異鄉人，對城市外的社會充滿興趣」：台灣影像人類學誌先驅胡台麗病逝，享壽72歲

and the Citation Key is

thenewslensLiKaiTaiBeiJiuChengYiXiangRenDuiChengShiWaiDeSheHuiChongManXingQuTaiWanYingXiangRenLeiXueZhiXianQuHuTaiLiBingShiXiangShou72SuiOnceYou2022

It seems that I can use the above mentioned formulas to make it shorter, but I'm worried about replacing my formula, because I don't want to mess with my other citation keys which were made with the previous formula.

How do I manage this?

[earthmoon]

use this auth.lower + title.jieba.select(n=3) + year

[kerim]

Thanks, but after replacing the formula, nothing changed. I clicked to refresh the Cite Key, but it is still the same.

[earthmoon]

Thanks, but after replacing the formula, nothing changed. I clicked to refresh the Cite Key, but it is still the same.

try this:
language(chinese) + authors(1, name='%(f)s%(g)s') + year | auth.lower + year

[kerim]

Thanks. It is very finicky.

This finally worked for me:

language(en) + auth.lower + shorttitle(3, 3) + year
language(zh) + authors(1, name = "%(f)s%(g)s") + year | auth.lower + year

various other arrangements didn't work:

• Listing language(zh) first
• removing language(en) from the default
• writing "Chinese" instead of "zh"
  etc. all broke it, but somehow this particular format works.

[retorquere]

writing "Chinese" instead of "zh" etc. all broke it,

That was a bug. Please report breakage. A new release build is running.

[retorquere]

7.0.61 is out