"What is being produced in this orchard" question

[okainov]

I read about the history of this question here #368. I read OSM wiki about orchard https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse=orchard. I see that initially in SC the tags were added as crop and/or trees. This makes perfect sense for me - we try to map what is growing on this piece of land (orchard).

However what leaves me confused in this commit eb8d361 which has updated trees/crop to produce. OSM wiki says The tag is particularly helpful in cases where the type of trees is not descriptive enough, but normally it is descriptive enough, right?

Main question is why? What was wrong with trees/crop? What is the benefit/reasoning behind using produce here? I think of produce more like what is being sold at the farm shop/stall/kiosk next to the orchard, so for me it would be more suitable tag for the kiosk/shopping point rather than for the field itself...

[matkoniecz]

Has wiki maybe changed since it was edited 7 years ago?

[okainov]

Maybe (though I personally doubt here).

But still, would be great to know the intent of the change, as I think it was actually correct to use crop/trees in the first place.

[okainov]

BTW here is some stats in particular about strawberries, crop is way more popular than produce (though of course, it also depends on the objects themselves)

[mnalis]

But still, would be great to know the intent of the change,

crop does seem more reasonable (and more popular) choice for me too, but there were some issues with it (e.g. #368 (comment)). Pinging @rugk as he was very involved in original quest, so maybe he have some ideas / input why produce=* is used nowadays instead of trees=*.

as I think it was actually correct to use crop/trees in the first place.

Don't know if it is related, but it seems that OsmItem was simplified to only contain the value (instead of key=value) at the time too, so that would mean only one key could be used.

[rugk]

Thx for the ping, unfortunately I was not involved so much with the change to produce and also dunno…

But you can certainly find related discussion about this one:

• Proposal to avoid produce=*
• Here e.g. much about produce has been changed/done: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Alanduse%3Dorchard&type=revision&diff=1911545&oldid=1892596
• wiki talk disc. about bad combinations with produce? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:landuse%3Dorchard#Removal_of_useful_combinations
• on the trees wikitalk page, one argues produce should be preferred: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:trees#A_preference_for_the_key_produce_rather_than_trees.