Discussion on Pitch Conversion [Was: Change “A,B,C” to “Ra, Ti, Do”]

[ukkari]

[pikurasa]

This issue title, to those outside of the Japan team, may be misleading.

Clarification: In Japan, they want as few references as possible to alphabet naming (A, B, C, etc) and would rather have solfege.

Question: Given that in beginner mode, we only have solfege in the rhythm palette by default. Japan Team, do you want Pitch = A, B, C block to also be removed from the pitch palette in beginner mode?

Please also consider the fact that the last lesson Nabekura-san sent has chords expressed by its pitch letter and chord quality (e.g. "A minor").

[valismb]

@ukkari
@pikurasa
I will comment on the musical notation.
Considering Japanese music education, I think that it should be based on the notation of "ドレミ".
I think that it should be unified in katakana.
On the contrary, I think that the code notation should be unified into uppercase alphabets.

Given these two points, I think that "G4" in the "pitch" palette should be left.
"ドレミ" should be translated into other languages when selecting languages.
Meanwhile, "G4 (capital letters of alphabet)" as a standard notation may always exist.
It is the same function, but I think that this alone can coexist.
Was the intention transmitted?

Nabekura

[walterbender]

@pikurasa What was the final decision on this? If I undderstand Nabekura, we should leave things as they are?

[pikurasa]

@walterbender one feature that would help a lot of people, and solve this issue, is a feature that would switch alphabet to and from solfege for a given pitch block. Maybe it is accessed in the menu that is opened when you right click on a pitch block. What do you think?

[walterbender]

The challenge for doing that has always been not knowing what key/mode you are in at the time.

[pikurasa]

The challenge for doing that has always been not knowing what key/mode you are in at the time.

I guess I was starting from the assumption of fixed do.

Perhaps it is not helpful for all cases--at least not with a simple design that excludes specifying key for a movable do conversion--but I do think it is helpful.

For Japan, which mainly uses fixed do, I imagine it would be helpful.

[walterbender]

Would this be a global convert or on a per-block basis? We could just always show both alphabet and solfege on the pie menu and let people mix and match.

[pikurasa]

Would this be a global convert or on a per-block basis?

Yes, this is a good question.

I was thinking the following:

• make the change for a single block, and change just that block
• make the change from an action block (or start block), and change all the blocks contained within.

We could just always show both alphabet and solfege on the pie menu and let people mix and match.

I worry that this may make the pie menu look cluttered. That being said, I don't mind if there is a way to switch between the two (alphabet <==> solfege) from the pie menu, which would change what the user sees and can select from the pie menu.

[walterbender]

We need a design.

[pikurasa]

We need a design.

Given: Alphabet pitch block or string of alphabet pitch blocks in an action block

1. Right click on pitch(es)
2. One of the option is a "converter <==>"
3. Click on the converter.
4. Sub-options of "fixed solfege", "scale degree", "movable solfege", and "n^th modal pitch" appear.
5. Click on one of the sub-options (details below)

• Fixed Solfege -- Alphabet pitches will convert to their respective fixed solfege pitches. Basically, A --> La, B, --> Ti, C -- Do, etc. and all of the accidentals stay intact.
• scale degree -- Based on the "key" that the user has specified in @aviral243 's key menu (top menu), the pitches will be converted accordingly. For example, if we have specified C major, then C --> 1, D --> 2, and Eb --> 3b. However, if we have specified Eb major, then C --> 6, D --> 7, and Eb --> 1.
• movable solfege -- Similar behavior to "scale degree", but instead of numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 we get Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La, and Ti.
• n^th modal pitch -- n^th modal is a zero based index, and does not have a separate variable for octave. Otherwise, similar (but not the same) as scale degree.

6. Selected Pitch(es) are converted to the target representation chosen via the pie menu.

@meganindya @walterbender thoughts?