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New physical quantities for radar and update on IOR for camera and lidar #11
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…y,ior) as a function of waveleght and temperature. gltf material files updated.
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Hi @matteomarone. thanks for the comprehensive PR! In issue #4, we're discussing the (functional) relationship between index of refraction, permittivity and permeability. |
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@LudwigFriedmann : You write "The direct relationship between IOR and permittivity is probably only valid for the optical range and for non-magnetic materials. " I am not aware that the physical laws for IOR and permittivity are restricted to a certain frequency range. Before we make a distinction between regimes and materials we need a trustworthy source to rationalize this. |
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@hschoen @LudwigFriedmann In the optical range and for non-magnetic materials we can simply assume that the permeability ~1. In this way the formula n=sqrt(epsilon_r*mu_r) becomes a 1:1 dependency n=epsilon_r. For the radar and magnetic material the generic formula still stands, but it would not be possible to derive simultaneously the permittivity and permeability directly from the IOR, only their product. |
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Hi @hschoen and @matteomarone , The following cases can be distinguished (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetische_Permeabilit%C3%A4t):
As an example, for iron, the temperature-related range of μr is 300…10.000. Now according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractive_index, generally, for electromagnetic radiation, the following condition is true: n=sqrt(εr * μr) (n being the complex refractive index, εr complex relative permittivity and μr complex relative permeability) Obviously, for values of μr close to 1, this simplifies to n=sqrt(εr) Nevertheless, the relation in its general form is true at all times, or did I miss something? So we need two of the three complex values in the data to derive the third one.... |
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As the wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractive_index states, "the refractive index is used for optics in Fresnel equations and Snell's law; while the relative permittivity and permeability are used in Maxwell's equations and electronics". I think both user groups have their favorites. Nevertheless, I would rather rely on converters than write 3 directly dependant parameters into the materials. |
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@LudwigFriedmann Yes, the general relationship between IOR and (permittivity*permeability) is valid regardless the frequency, and simplified when mu_r is close to 1. |
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@matteomarone, @LudwigFriedmann I don't think we have a problem: If we want to derive εr from IoR we simply need to know additionally μr. |
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Hi @matteomarone, concerning your proposal for conductivity, for the sake of reusability in implementation (i.e. interpolation algorithms), can we restructure the data to key value pairs of wavelength and conductivity (like IOR re/im part)? |
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Hi @LudwigFriedmann yes I agree, we can restructure the conductivity to match the IOR |
-) The Index of refraction (IOR) was restructured for better gltf reprocessing. Dependency on temperature more readable.
-) Permittivity, permeability, and conductivity were added to extend the project towards radar sensor implementation. These quantities can be defined as a function of wavelength and temperature.