Evrloot Application

[Deckard-Evrloot]

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[Deckard-Evrloot]

Hello Fast Grant Team, please let me know if I can submit anything else to help.

[oshakarishvili]

Hey @Deckard-Evrloot! Thanks a lot for your patience while we reviewed this.

Before we proceed to the final decision, we wanted to clarify two points. As part of the Fast Grants framework, we typically require that at least part of the code or tooling produced during the grant be open-sourced. We understand that game logic is often proprietary, but even infrastructure, integration, or analytics components can sometimes be shared in a limited way. Would this be something you’d be open to discussing?

Also, we’d love to hear whether there’s any interest in exploring a technical alignment or migration to Polkadot Hub, as that could make the project even more ecosystem-aligned.

[Deckard-Evrloot]

Hey @oshakarishvili !

We understand that game logic is often proprietary, but even infrastructure, integration, or analytics components can sometimes be shared in a limited way. Would this be something you’d be open to discussing?

For sure. We can open-source parts of our infrastructure, obviously not in a matter of hours.

Also, we’d love to hear whether there’s any interest in exploring a technical alignment or migration to Polkadot Hub, as that could make the project even more ecosystem-aligned.

That was our initial big goal, not just technically but also for a big splash in marketing - yet unfortunately also the reason Evrloot had to close operations. We were promised to be able to migrate to the hub, but it was never ready (=fully EVM compatible). Our latest information was (met with the Team in Denver on Eth.cc) that the focus is on Defi and not on EVM compatibility first.
We would still be willing to, but a full migration would be out of scope of the cost of this grant, as it requires significant engineering work. But we can talk about everything.

[oshakarishvili]

@Deckard-Evrloot thanks for the quick reply! Great to hear you’re open to open-sourcing parts of the infra.
To align fully with Fast Grants, do you think it would be possible to open-source the full codebase (or most of it)?

[cf-lucas-moskau]

Hey @oshakarishvili , sorry for the 2 week delay!

We had a bunch of organizational duties to take care of over the last 2 weeks, mostly evolving around german business law regulations and communicating with our stakeholders. Additionally we are transitioning into full time positions, which has taken a bigger toll than expected.

That being said, the funds to keep running Backends and necessary subscriptions to keep Evrloot up are coming to an end. As we speak we have paid the November bills and have to take the decision whether to fund december privately. Beyond that we just cannot afford the cost from our own pockets unfortunately. We however have used the time to think about our Open Sourcing Options.

Open sourcing is definitely on the board, it will take some effort to get there though as the repos have not been built with that in mind. The good side of it is that I can take the opportunity to try and reduce our infra cost even further.

Our proposal would be to set this as the first milestone of this application, as this is not something that can be done in a couple of hours. It would also allow our community to start contributing to Evrloot on a deeper level and may help in keeping Evrloot alive as a whole through community contributions.

Before kicking off this time intensive process, are we good for the rest of the proposal? Is there anything that needs further clarification?

[Deckard-Evrloot]

@oshakarishvili @wirednkod @sacha-l
We have been waiting, but these seems buried under a pile of work for you.
Trying to resurface. January is approaching and Evrloot would fully shut down then.

Please help us get a definitive decision that values your and our time.

[wirednkod]

I like the project and I will approve for now. I would like to see of course the code being open source, and if possible migration to NFT in the future

[Deckard-Evrloot]

@wirednkod We appreciate your fast response and your support for our work!
How do we proceed?

[wirednkod]

We are internally finalize the process and will get back to you asap

[oshakarishvili]

Hi @Deckard-Evrloot, thanks a lot for your patience, and apologies that this took a bit longer than expected.

In principle, the curators support Evrloot and are aligned with keeping the project moving forward. However, we want to be transparent that we’ve currently run out of confirmed Fast Grants budget, mainly due to market conditions and pending top-up clarity.

Given this, there are two possible paths forward:

1. You can pursue an OpenGov proposal for funding. We’re happy to publicly endorse and support.
2. We can approve the Fast Grant, with the clear understanding that payouts are not guaranteed and would only proceed if and when budget becomes available (e.g. via a top-up, DOT price appreciation, or funds becoming available due to other projects failing to deliver milestones).

We wanted to lay this out clearly so you can decide what works best on your side. Happy to discuss either option.

[oshakarishvili]

Hi @Deckard-Evrloot, thanks a lot for your patience, and apologies that this took a bit longer than expected.

In principle, the curators support Evrloot and are aligned with keeping the project moving forward. However, we want to be transparent that we’ve currently run out of confirmed Fast Grants budget, mainly due to market conditions and pending top-up clarity.

Given this, there are two possible paths forward:

1. You can pursue an OpenGov proposal for funding. We’re happy to publicly endorse and support.
2. We can approve the Fast Grant, with the clear understanding that payouts are not guaranteed and would only proceed if and when budget becomes available (e.g. via a top-up, DOT price appreciation, or funds becoming available due to other projects failing to deliver milestones).

We wanted to lay this out clearly so you can decide what works best on your side. Happy to discuss either option.

[Deckard-Evrloot]

@oshakarishvili
To be frank This is a big let down to receive this information at the very end of the process.

We have no energy left to argue another month for this on open gov. It's just too much energy consumption.

So option 1 is off the table. Either it's option 2 or a clear sign that a project like evrloot is deprioritized. No need to jump through yet another 10 hoops to let us know that. But then we have no scrutiny to move on from Polkadot.

When are you currently planning to approach a top up ?

[oshakarishvili]

@Deckard-Evrloot to be clear, this isn’t about Evrloot being deprioritised, it’s purely a budget constraint.

On the top-up: we expect to have more clarity in January, but there’s no confirmed timing yet. As soon as that’s clearer, we’ll update you so you can decide how you want to proceed.

[Deckard-Evrloot]

Hello @oshakarishvili
Thank you for clarifying. Since February is approaching we wanted to check in on the status.
BR,
The Evrloot Team

[Deckard-Evrloot]

@oshakarishvili @wirednkod @sacha-l Whats up? Why the radio silence. Guys be fair, the Evrloot team invested time into this and the discord community is asking for updates daily now. WE ARE CURRENTLY DOWN!

[wirednkod]

Hey @Deckard-Evrloot . Im not sure if you are aware of the situation in Polkadot ecosystem, the grants/bounty field and the DOT's price. Having said that most bounties are shut down atm and we are in a communication with web3foundation trying to figure out the most effecient way to support the teams the best way we can. I understand that you guys are in dire straits but at the moment we all are (and this is not an excuse). As we initially stated - i will repeat that we are trying our best and the "radio silence" is not really nothing more than us - the curators - trying behind the scenes to make the best out of the situation for all of you guys. So if there is any room for waiting - that would help - if not - i only can express an apologies.

[Deckard-Evrloot]

We apreciate your detailed response. There is room for waiting. But I dont know how long we can hold the community together. I dont have time to track the bounty situation, so my question is - can we mark this as a high priority topic and come back to it every month to check the status?