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[DLu]

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I made a video about ROS interfaces.

Did you use Generative AI?

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[fujitatomoya]

@DLu thanks for creating those videos.

I am not sure if we can put videos from personal youtube channel in the official doc. if we do that, other companies and people's videos should be posted as well here on official documentation. (for example, TheConstruct has a lot of great videos.) i personally prefer to maintain the those videos under OSRA channel (Vimeo) if we put that in the official documentation. but the problem is that we do not have any procedure to do that, as far as i know... what do you think? any thoughts from ROS PMC? or this could be agenda for OSRA TGC?

[gbiggs]

We cannot accept anything other than vetted videos that we control into the actual documentation, as there is a risk the video could be changed after being reviewed. I believe the best approach for community-contributed videos is a separate section in the documentation that lists them with a disclaimer that we do not control them, they might vanish, we cannot control the content, etc.

[DLu]

I'm way too tired of this shit to argue. Please open a PR to remove the Canonical videos from the Concepts page.

[fujitatomoya]

This change would already be on the ROS 1 wiki. This is how you discourage people from making ROS documentation.

(probably this comment has been removed by someone? this message notification is in my mailbox.)

I'm way too tired of this shit to argue.

i am not sure if you are joking or serious, i do not like this language... (maybe that is because i am not native English speaker, i just do not get it.) i was just trying to be honest to explain the reason and open discussion with, and then i get this ?... 🤔
disagreements and complaints are absolutely welcome and necessary to find better ways forward. however, shutting down the conversation with hostile language stops progress immediately. I believe this type of communication is what truly discourages people from participating and contributing to ROS documentation.

Please open a PR to remove the Canonical videos from the Concepts page.

that is what i am not aware of, thanks. i am happy to open the PR.

[fujitatomoya]

Please open a PR to remove the Canonical videos from the Concepts page.

see #6081

[peci1]

there is a risk the video could be changed after being reviewed

That's not possible on Youtube AFAIK. You cannot reupload without changing the ID (maybe with some company accounts it could be? but here we're talking individuals...)

[moriarty]

Please open a PR to remove the Canonical videos from the Concepts page.

see #6081

I think the suggestion by @DLu was sarcasm?

Why remove a potential helpful video for new comers to the ROS Community because it comes from a company or individual? Just because it violates a policy?

Why not update the policy to allow the community to contribute tutorial videos which are potentially helpful?

If the link was not to a personal or company account, this would be allowed?

So if for example @DLu setup a "Brand Account" on YouTube and gave other maintainers access to it, and the account wasn't associated with a company or his personal account... does this get around the restrictions of the policy and still allow linking of helpful videos to encourage and help the community?

[fujitatomoya]

@moriarty

thanks for leaving comment here.

I think the suggestion by @DLu was sarcasm?

Ah, i did not get that... sorry 😓

1st of all, i was(am) open for discussion, i did not shut down the conversation here. i was more like trying to get feedback like yours.

IMO, #6080 (comment) makes sense for stability and long-term maintenance, including confirmation for Code of Conduct. If videos are deemed necessary for the documentation, the project's preference could be to host them on its official YouTube channel (for example: the CNCF's official channel) to ensure content control, quality, and compliance?

on the other hand, accessibility from contributors and helpful videos are really good for documentation, i understand that.

Why not update the policy to allow the community to contribute tutorial videos which are potentially helpful?

i agree with this. do you think this can be one of the topics for ROS PMC?
Note that there is a thread on zulip: #ROS PMC > Videos from personal youtube chaneel for official doc, it would be helpful to hear from the team working on improving the information architecture of the docs from OSRA?

establishing guideline and review process takes time, so i would suggest that we have the community contributed video section separated somewhere in official doc with a disclaimer that we do not control? so that developers and contributors can post their videos there? what do you think?